In 1827, production was reported at 160,270 gallons, and by 1833 had grown to 300,000 gallons per annum. Is Jameson, Bushmills Really Catholic Versus Protestant Whiskey? Just dont do anything silly like order it on the rocksits way too good for that. Its summer here in Oregon, which means barbecues, camping trips and river floats are on the agenda for the next few months. In a TALL glass.one shot of Gin with a lime is Protestant. It was the anti-Catholic hiring practices that Bushmills employed in Northern Ireland that fueled the snub. It was fine w me, because the Jameson Distillery tour was fantastic. The northern Protestant states, angered by the violation of their rights to choose granted in the Peace of Augsburg, banded together to form the Protestant Union. Catholics and Protestants have a different view on the nature of the church. Eamonn, I thought all that was in the past and your country moved on? #103. Jameson is always a great go-to, easy and smooth. The new Tullamore Dew distillery is up and running the past 2 years and back in Tullamore town.  In addition, three of the distillery's pot stills were saved and now located in the college's Red Square.. If you want to support Ireland, go and visit and maybe read a few history books and hopefully realise that most normal people dont give a toss about religious leanings. The difference between the two has to do with the history of whiskey production in Ireland.  This was a notable departure for the firm, as for many years the big Dublin distilling dynasties had shunned the use of Coffey stills, questioning if their output, grain whiskey, could even be termed whiskey. 1. Every time you raise a glass of Bushmills you are in essence raising a glass to an Irishman losing his land (and in some cases his life) to British rule!! , In 1871, the distillery was expanded and rebuilt in the Victorian style, becoming one of the most impressive sights in Dublin. The cheap rustic stuff is often the best. The episodes of violence associated with both Protestant and Catholic troops in the . I find Jameson to be a bit too sweet, I guess. Also how does Navan end up in a Heineken? Period. Check it out: http://whiskiesoftheworld.com. Spose its kinda like Rangers (hoik-phew) and Celtic FC really. Generally, it is a little less expensive than Jameson. I grew up in a so-called Protestant area in west County Down where nobody really cares what you are. Father Urban has succeeded as a business operator on behalf of his monastic . It has earned a permanent place in my cabinet right next to my Glenrothes 1995 which I prefer over all the other SM brands including MacAllan 18 & 25. This is now a historical landmark. The good news is I dont have to worry about car bomb in Hicktown. Funny, I also sought some info from a Bushmills rep when this controversy came up around St. Pattys day! So by your logic it is fair to say that Every time you raise a glass of American Bourbon you are in essence raising a glass to an Native American losing his land (and in MOST cases his life) to British/American rule! Currently sipping on a Writers Tears neat & have two types of Teeling, The Irishman single malt, The Irishman Founders Reserve, a 12 y/o Redbreast, a GreenSpot single pot, a Powers John Lane Release, a Middleton Barry Crockett Legacy, a 12 y/o Jameson Special Reserve, & a Green Spot still to try. in response to Irish whiskey is it catholic or protestant is irrelevant it is who is drinking it. Simple business transaction where both sides benefit. CATHOLICISM vs PROTESTANTISM!! : ). If it was a genuine issue then bars wouldnt serve both. And a true story: as a young Dublin barman I was confounded by a true-blue Dubliner who asked for a large Shirley Bassey. In some ways Im like woof, Thank you, @craftspiritsus for inviting me to give, CALLING ALL NACHOS AND WINGS LOVERS (okay and foot, Menu and blog update! Talk about confused. Also absolutely no one gave a rats ass what my religion is & Dublin is currently commemorating the Easter Rising centennial! He replied, Bushmills. I visited Bushmills Distillery, and they were bottling both Bushmills and Jameson in the same facility!! Comment No one here has a soft spot in their heart for Paddys? There were licenses to distill granted in and around the Bushmills area in 1608. red breast is my favorite single pot still whisky!! I rag on about political whisky to those who are green only on the 17th and 18th of March.Hell, I even I do drink whatever. But the Bushmills Distillery Reserve, a bottle of which my very, very good sister recently brought back as a gift from Belfast, is holy smoking delicious good. I like Jamesons.andI like BushmillsandI like Tullamore Dew.and I dont care if theyre made by Indonesian monks that hate my mothertheyre just tasty. Hes either the only Irishman who believes this or some in this thread are misinformed. Tullamore Dew has lemon notes with wood undertones, whereas Jameson has a light . Went on the Bushmills tour in November 2015. This is mildly off topic, but does anyone else find Jameson to be similar in many ways to Wild Turkey bourbon? The overwhelming majority of people in Ireland just want to get on with their lives, as they have always done and forget about this petty conflict. Jameson is a blended potstill whiskey (malted + Unmalted grain blended with grain whiskey). You are a great person to forgive and forget the horrible crime that were personal committed against you. Hence, Bushmills is Protestant whiskey, which means by contrast Jameson, down in Cork County, must be Catholic. And it really is an Irish American thing to take to finding out which is protestant and catholic lol. Please remember quite a few of you presidents from Grant to Clinton descended from this part of the world. We intend to vigorously defend our position. It was as perfect in flavour, and as pronounced in the ancient aroma of Irish Whisky so dear to the hearts of connoisseurs, as one could possibly desire, and we found a small flask of it very useful afterwards on our travels. Powers is a brand of Irish whiskey. I was playing golf in Ireland, and I asked my caddy what was his favorite whiskey. And it was always welcomed as a special Balkan business bestowal, to grease whatever wheels needed turning. Bushmills I like, but I like Irish Whisky best of all the brown stuff. And as you can check from the email address I come from Finland, a protestant country. While were tossing around personal stories, about 20 years ago I met some younger guys from Glasgow at a local pub, and I mentioned how I knew that neither Scotland nor Ireland were altogether warm with England, but I didnt know how the Irish and Scots felt about each other. In particular the 1951 offering of which Ive never tasted its superior. Bushmills also provides single malt for Powers, while Midleton (where many of teh Irish whiskies are produced) provides grain whiskey for the Bushmills blends. The answer is that it depends on the distillery. Im not sure that it says anything more than that it isnt a strictly American argument. Those whiskeys seem to get along just fine! Love Black Bush but Jamesons Gold Reserve gets my vote as the very best Ive had. I sincerely doubt that there are too many Irish Catholics who care about the religion attached to what they drink. , As the distillery grew, so too did the stature of the family. Ive worked my way through nearly all the brands mentioned here and yet consistently return to my beloved Jameson 12 neat. Drink which ever you palette desires!! Regarding the Catholic/Protestant/Jewish/Corn Beef relationship, Man is walking down the street in Belfast. there was thought to be up towards 25 distilleries in this town at one time. Im Irish American and I volunteered for both Sinn Fin and Irish Northern aide. Catholic powers praised the killings, and the French Protestant cause saw a wave of exile and conversions. I completely understand what Matt is saying regarding religious intolerence. It was largely untouched by the Troubles and paramilitaries. The big difference between the two whiskies has nothing to do with religion, which is silly and, in some respects, rather ignorant. Yes it is a bit heavier than most Irish whiskey, but I appreciate the depth and nuanced flavors. Peter Knox hit the nail on the head in #103 & Hey Bartender is right, giving a crap about what religion founded a whiskeys distillery is about as authentically Irish as corned beefFYI: not a single Irish person I spoke to knew had ever heard of corned beef, it wasnt in the grocery stores & certainly not on any menus. I come from an island which has been called the most Irish place outside of Ireland and weve had our papist-loyalist troubles in the past, where they will remain. Multi-national corporations, of course, know no religious or other loyalty, except to the almighty dollar/pound/Euro. Enjoy your whiskey and spare a kind word for everyone. One of the best whiskys I have ever drank. And since I inherited her mothers sideboard, now repurposed as the bar in my den, I shall drink Bushmills tonight. Thanks all for your comments. Thanks, Mike. When I lived in Providence, there was a lot of Powers drinking going on. Bushmills didnt support the Black & Tans anymore than Jamesons supported the IRA! As a Scotsman living in Scotland, Id say I f youre worried about the religion of your whiskey then perhaps you shouldnt be drinking. Entries are still open for the 2023 San Fr, This weekend, we hiked to the site of a natural ca, Valentines Day. Sorry, but I have always loved them both. History matters which is why the Catholic/Protestant thing is relevant. It is about the spirit in the bottle, not in a church. While Redbreast is great, wonderful stuff, dont ever pass up a chance to sample their self-titled Middleton. Love a pleanty An Italian friend, when introduced to the term Uiske Beatha thought the word was bad water and now refers to it as Aqua Sporca or dirty water. Spent a crap of $$$ too so we could compare them all side by side. Contrary and challenging to the end- does this not sum up the Celtic spirit, whatever its origin or leaning? Raised going to church every goddamned Sunday. Yep, he was referring to a certain product from Bushmills.. As far as I know, spirit doesnt really care which way you worship your sky-fairy. Never been a fan of the Powers. , Historically, Powers Gold Label was the best-selling whiskey in Ireland. Any particular reason why in 1998-1999 Bushmills would have distilled of at least bottle up for Jameson ????? So, which Irish whiskey is Catholic? as the visit was ending up with only 3 tiny plastic glasses half full. Is Jameson Protestant whiskey? Jameson Is Catholic and Bushmills Is Protestant. The Master Distiller, Colum Eagan, is indeed a Catholic himself and comes from Co. Laois in ROI. I could be fairly sure the master distiller was hired because he was good at distilling whiskey and not because they needed to hire a Catholic. In whiskey world Northern Ireland is considered to be part of the irish island so no reason to judge Bushmills to be protestant or not. Have heard that Jim Beam (the new owners of the Cooley distillery) may discontinue production on contracted whiskies such as this in order to focus squarely on putting Kilbeggan up against Jameson, Bushmills & Tullamore Dew.  A gold label adorned each bottle and it was from these that the whiskey got the name Powers Gold Label. Asked the guide about it. Methodist and Presbyterian. Your grandfather may have lost friends back in the early 20th century to the Black & Tans and im sorry to hear that, but guess what? Clicking on a product takes you to Amazon, which helps me keep this site running, so thank you in advance! ! Idiot!! . I was a bartender in NY in the early 90s and in 98 moved to Kinsale Cork and bartended their for 4 yrs. Ive lost members of my family to the IRA in THIS generation. Polarised. Wonderful thread.  Irish Distillers owned the brand until its sale to Sazerac in 2016. @Eamonn: always good to hear from a Dubliner. Redbreast is my favorite but I only buy a bottle or so a year. Jamesons for sure. The Emperor's war against the Lutheran princes put the first Protestant reformers in a difficult bind. Brands! Yet a great friend of Catholic Ireland. Ive tried to correct his misinterpretation but he thinks his name is funnier. Though it is good to remember that Bushmills & Jameson were selling about even worldwide up until the mid/late 1990s, before Pernod decided to put all of its eggs in the Jameson basket. His policies were considered heavily pro-Catholic. Jamesons too is lovely. There is only one Catholic church in my town the rest are Baptist or other protestant. This kind of stupidity makes us look like clowns in the eyes of most real Irish. In 1998 Bushmills was part of IDL, which owned all the whiskies coming out of Ireland with the excpetion of the few from Cooley. This was a long term plan but theyve brought it forward by about 8-10 years. Just got back from Dublin yesterday & loved reading the post & all the comments here. Powers is my number one as the every day Irish whiskey of choice. And while the distillery had a larger proportion of Protestants than Catholics, this was down to the demographics of the area in which the town of Bushmills is situated which is largely a protestant area and the employment status reflects that. The plantation of Ulster started in 1609, and BTW that very same King (James I) planted the Jamestown settlement in Virginia two year previous in 1607. It is a distinct and beautiful expression of the craft. When asked to identify "the term commonly used to refer to the historical period in which Protestants broke away from the Catholic Church," two-thirds of the general public (65%) correctly chose the Reformation. So bottoms up. Mmmm..Middleton distillery. Starting with Bushmills which I am using as a warm up to my usual Wild Turkey 101. And let us not forget the new cask finishes of The Tyrconnell. But Im an Irish barman and I am stunned by the ignorant waffle that some Irish Americans spew about the oul sod. Thanks again for this essay and the add-on comments. The Catholic and Protestant Reformations established long-lasting effects within the religious world. We were servedcorned beef and cabbage with California wine and a shot of Paddy cut with Baileys after dinner. Powers gold label is absolute shit. Jesus, Mary and Joseph! Whiskey is Irish, whatever brand (or religion), followed by Americans (as in bourbon whiskey etc.). I still live there. As a bartender years ago in Chicago I was told When stocking your liquor on the back of the bar. Didnt think I liked any kind of whiskey until last week when I asked our waitress at Murrays to bring me something Irishshe brought me Jamesons on the rocks along w/ a small bottle of ginger ale & a lime. In return, Bushmills receives grain whiskey from both Midleton & Cooley. Ive used Irish Whiskey in Old Fashions and Sours before with tasty results. Good luck and god bless Hun. Though I guess thats for a different forum. They are just businesses making whiskey. If I had a choice between Macallan 18 and Redbreast, think Id stay Irish. Today in Trader Joes, the checker looked at my bottle of Bushmills and then at me and asked, Catholic or Protestant? I had never heard that one before. I do live in a Hicktown. It is the oldest licensed distillery by 200 years and was once owned by a Belfast barman who get this was a teetotaller and secretly wrote religous tracts damning the Demon Drink! The Protestant Reformation was a religious reform movement that swept through Europe in the 1500s. Who really cares. It was also the period during which the Roman Catholic Church, as an entity distinct from other . I see. Enough said I thought, and bought the next round. (Ref. Protestant - to 'protest'. wear my orange on St. Patricks Your email address will not be published. Trust me on this. Memories. The Catholic Whiskey in Dublin was John Powers. Literal Meaning. The Protestant/Catholic thing was explained to me as a labor dispute where a bunch of Catholic Derrymen were laid off from the Bushmills distillery or some shite. Stick to the booze recommendations, the mixed drink recipes, and the things you have first-hand experience with. Youd be hard to convince me it is 40 proof, much less 80. With regard to Powers Gold Label: I bought a bottle last week after reading about how decent a drink it was. is that a catholic thing? Bushmills released a statement saying:Its just one of the outrageous statements put about in an attempt to blacken our name. The company has been running since 1780 and has developed and perfected the art of producing the premium quality, top shelf, and smoothest Irish whiskey in the world today. Bushmills is a great whisky celebrating an important anniversary this year with an updated look that will appear in late 2009. But generally, if you like it sweet, you like Jamesons products (including Redbreast, 1780, and Powers) If you like it dry, youll prefer the Busmills lineup. If you ever try a more exclusive blend or a single malt, dont dare poison it with ginger ale . And I obviously know alot about it being from Ireland and the horrific scenes of the troubles. Such crap why are all these experts so called Irishmen living in US. Why not stop purchasing rum to protest Spanish aggression while you are at it. This is one of the myths encountered all the time, since Bushmills is located in predominantly Protestant Northern Ireland and Jameson is produced in the heavily Catholic Republic of Ireland. Why even Arthur Guinness was a prod. I think Paddys may be even rarer in the US than Powers. One further chapter in the history that really debunks this myth is that between 1972 and 2005, both Midleton (makers of Jameson) and Bushmills were owned by the same corporation, Irish Distillers. Ill take one next time Im out.  They were the first Dublin distillery to do so, and one of the first in the world. Though Jameson is currently distilled in lovely Cork, it was actually founded and first distilled in Dublin. Heres the real question why does everyone insist on handing us shots of jameson late night in colorado? Believe in the Trinity of God. Arthur Guinness was definitely Protestant And a Unionist. He was adamantly against Home Rule as well. The new distillery opened in 1975, and a year later, production ceased at John's Lane Distillery and began anew in Cork, with Powers Gold Label and many other Irish whiskeys reformulated from single pot stills whiskeys to blends. What is the lore and legend and reputation of Tullamore Dew? Delicious, soothing, contemplative. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. Well Kentucky used to be part of the state of Virginia, but that doesnt mean you blame the whiskey for something that happened in that state. Initially a war between various Protestant and Catholic states in the fragmented Holy Roman Empire, it gradually developed into a more general . Irish for the whiskey It is the same oppression that the Hungarians did to the Slovaks over the ages!!!!! Redbreast makes for good sipping but for my budget Powers is my standby. One company that undeniably did discriminate against Catholics though was Guinness in Dublin yet i dont see any boycotts in place for that. Jeffrey, isnt there an expiration date to such things? Whiskey and Cocktails Uisce Beatha or Water of Life has been distilled in Ireland for many centuries and possibly even for millennia. The make up of the folks who work at Bushmills reflects the religous makeup of Northern Ireland roughly 40% Roman Catholic. The fact is that Jameson is the Catholic whiskey and Bushmills is the Protestant whiskey and this is according to people I know That live in Belfast. It wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that Guinness is in the Republic of Ireland and Bushmills is in Northern Ireland would it? Ireland is %110 united in whiskey. Several years ago, I worked in Bulgaria and a couple of other Balkan republics; and found to my surprise that Irish Whiskey is somewhat popular there, though far outpaced by the ubiquitous Balkan hard liquors Rakija and Mastika. The Fair Employment Commission gave Bushmills a clean bill of health.  The distillery, which had an output of about 6,000 gallons in its first year of operation, initially traded as James Power and Son, but by 1822 had become John Power & Son, and had moved to a new premises at John's Lane, a side street off Thomas Street. I am not trying to be offensive here, but really, it is just so dumb. Porn S, Eugene, Oregon friends! I must have been misinformed. Fast forward 60 years. When I explained this myth to customers in Ireland they all had a good laugh. In 1989, Irish Distillers itself became a subsidiary of Pernod-Ricard following a friendly takeover. I was wondering when someone would ask this question. Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy . There are some amazing ones, FYI, I will leave it at that. Bushmills was my first taste of Irish Whiskey. It has been my favorite since discovering it at the Buena Vista Cafe in San Francisco. Redbreast IS great for sipping (especially for the price) and Powers Gold is fine too. Thank you for the real-world experience! It is either good or it is not. The truth is that great whiskey is produced in both the north and south of Ireland. These are the books and tools I use every single day to make drinks at home and behind the bar. When it comes to what crosses my lips I guess I am an agnostic. Hi, I actually know the reason behind the controversy. Im trying one at a time to see what I prefer. I can see you have been horribly scared by the conflict. Im coming to celebrate Repeal Da, Fall book drop. None of that means shit. Connemara Cask Strength is a real treat, and Greenore Single Grain is likewise enjoyable. For a blend, I am really impressed with the Michael Collins. I will be at Ninkasis B, Thanks for having me this morning to talk about ou, Last night someone was like oh wow I didnt t, HAHAHAHA Thank you @makersmark and @whisky_in_mai_, Thank you @traveloregon for having us on the start, Over the years, people have come to associate us w, We feel like most of you who have visited our litt, Ive always been one of those people who thought, http://www.winemag.com/Web-2013/2013-Spirit-of-the-Year-Bushmills/, Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License, Another Figoli Quinn Website (Digital Ocean). Another Figoli Quinn Website (Digital Ocean) | Bottom line Bushmills 16 yr has won my top pick in Irish whiskey over the 21 yr and Middletons, Redbreast and all the others. best bang for your buck for a sipping whisky. I noticed a little uncertainty about spelling in the story. The 1608 license is not marketing shite, but did refer to the area of the town of Bushmills. Catholics represented the unstable Republican persona and therefore the company hired few people from the catholic areas. I no longer consider myself Catholic, btw. Have a good one. Ive enjoyed most Irish whiskey Ive sampled, including Powers, Tully, and Bushmills. No matter where it is produced. This article is based on a paper delivered at the American Catholic Historical Association conference  In addition, Barnard was high in his praise for Powers whiskey, noting:. @Burnsy and Andrew: I dont drink Guiness or Jameson (for those particular reasons) I drink Paddys or Powers Whiskey and Murphys Stout!!!!  After expansion, output at the distillery rose to 700,000 gallons per annum, and by the 1880s, had reached about 900,000 gallons per annum, at which point the distillery covered over six acres of central Dublin, and had a staff of about 300 people.. Bushmills isnt produed deep in the heart of protestant country its produced on the north coast which is mixed catholic and protestant, sure the catholic stronghold Glens of Antrim are down the road. This is an interesting thread and I have a few more now to try. Also, what in the heck does Virginia have to do with Kentucky Bourbon??? Not that it really matters. 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